'I'd Say It to His Face' Is Not a Defense
"And I'd say it to his face." The Chafetz Chaim rules on that sentence, and on the person who really does say it to his face.
2 minute readYou say something true and unflattering about a coworker, and you would say it with him in the room. Does that make it better, or worse?
How great is the prohibition of lashon hara (negative talk about someone), the Chafetz Chaim writes: the Torah forbade it even when it is true, and in every way. Even one who reckons that he would say it in the person's presence (to his face), or who tells it about his fellow in his very presence: it is forbidden, and it is called lashon hara. In one respect, he adds, the prohibition is greater in the person's presence: besides the lashon hara, the speaker clothes himself in brazenness and insolence, stirs up more strife, and many times comes to shame the person.
Read it in his wordsThe Chafetz Chaim in Hebrew, with our English
Being ready to say it to his face does not make it permitted
At lunch the talk turns to Eli, who is not at lunch. You say that his code reviews read like ransom notes. Then you add the line that makes it honest: "And I'd say that to his face." Everyone nods. It is a brave thing to say about a man who is, at that moment, on a flight to Lisbon.
The Chafetz Chaim rules on that line. Lashon hara is forbidden even if the speaker reckons he would say it to the person's face, and even if he says it in his very presence (3:1). In one respect, he writes, that is worse: it adds brazenness, more strife, and many times the shaming of a person.
In our words: the line was meant as proof of honesty. He counts it differently. Behind Eli's back, it was lashon hara (a joke is no exception: 3:3). In front of him, it would have been lashon hara with Eli there to hear it. Telling a person privately what he got wrong is another subject, with its own laws; this page is about telling the table. Eli lands at four. He has already written to the team, to ask whether anyone needs anything from the airport.
Today, when "I'd say it to his face" comes to mind about something unflattering, take it as a sign to stop.
Ask yourself, or your study partnerWhat do I say about people that I tell myself I would say to them?
Go deeperMore of his words, and every source
Even when it is true, and in every way
Between these words and "in his presence," the paragraph speaks of the opposite case: one who takes care to tell it in secret, and minds that it should not become known to the person. Such a person, writes the Chafetz Chaim (Rabbi Yisrael Meir Kagan of Radin, known by the name of this book), also brings on himself the Torah's curse: "Cursed is one who strikes his fellow in secret" (Devarim, Deuteronomy, 27:24). Rashi, the classic commentator, writes there that the verse speaks of lashon hara. The shaming he mentions at the end is forbidden by the Torah's words "do not bear sin because of him" (Vayikra, Leviticus, 19:17). He explains that prohibition at length in the opening of his book.
Where people get the idea
In his own notes (the Be'er Mayim Chaim) he writes that this leniency is very common in the mouths of the people, who lean on a saying of the sage Rabbi Yosi in the Gemara (the Talmud): "In all my days I never said a thing and turned back" (Shabbat 118b). The Gemara brings that saying in a short exchange (Arachin 15b). Rabbah, a sage of the Gemara, says: anything said in front of the person it is about has no lashon hara in it. He is answered (by the sage Abaye, as the Chafetz Chaim cites it): all the more so, it is insolence and lashon hara! Rabbah replies that he holds like Rabbi Yosi.
The Chafetz Chaim goes through how the early authorities (the rabbis of the Middle Ages) read this. The Rambam (Maimonides) rules that lashon hara is the same "in his fellow's presence or not in his presence" (Hilchot De'ot 7:5). Tosafot, medieval commentators printed beside the Gemara, explain, as he brings them, that the Gemara speaks only of words that can be heard two ways (below). He brings a case from the Gemara (Pesachim 113b). Tuviah sinned, and Zigud came alone and testified against him before the sage Rav Pappa. Rav Pappa had Zigud flogged. Zigud said: Tuviah sinned, and Zigud is flogged? Yes, said Rav Pappa: it is written, "One witness shall not rise against a person" (Devarim 19:15), and you testified against him alone. You have only given him a bad name. The Chafetz Chaim reads the Gemara's wording to mean that Zigud said it with Tuviah standing there. From this he learns that this too is lashon hara: Zigud knew it was true and said it to Tuviah's face, and since he told it alone, it was forbidden.
Before he ends, he sets one case apart. One early authority, the Sefer Yere'im (a medieval book of the commandments), does rule like Rabbi Yosi. The Chafetz Chaim explains that the Yere'im means a case that is not lashon hara to begin with: one who saw a person rob or shame someone, and tells others in order to help the one who was wronged. There, as he explains the Yere'im, being ready to say it to the man's face is a sign that he speaks out of zeal for the truth and not for the pleasure of it. In this, he notes, the Yere'im is more lenient than another early authority, who requires more. The case has its own conditions (Lashon Hara, chapter 10), and he warns: let the reader not hurry to be lenient in this. It is not today's subject. And he ends: it is forbidden to tell lashon hara both in the person's presence and not in his presence, "and who can lift his head to be lenient in this against all these early authorities?"
What the Sages did permit
This is the next paragraph (3:2). The dust of lashon hara (avak lashon hara) is the Sages' name for a remark that is not outright disparagement but can carry it or lead to it. A remark of that kind, he writes, depends on what the speaker wants and on how he says it at that moment. By his voice and his gestures he can say it so lightly that no disparagement of his fellow is noticeable in it, or he can say it so that the listener understands the disparaging sense. This, he writes, is very hard to measure. So the Sages said: if, in the manner in which he is now saying it, a person would not be ashamed to say it even in front of his fellow, that shows he does not mean to disparage him, and so it is permitted.
And he closes the paragraph the other way. If it is noticeable from his manner that he means to disparage, so that a person would by nature be ashamed to say it that way in front of his fellow, then even though the whole thing is only the dust of lashon hara, and it is true, and he knows that he would say it even to the person's face, even so it is forbidden.
Tell him, in private
This is from Shmirat HaLashon, his second book on speech, in a chapter on the commandment "Love your fellow as yourself." The pairing of it with today's law is ours. Today's law is about telling other people, with him there or not. This passage is about the other kind of "to his face": telling the person himself, in private, for his good. How to do that has its own laws.
Sources
- Chafetz Chaim, Lashon Hara 3:1: in his presence and not in his presence.
- Chafetz Chaim, Lashon Hara 3:2: the permission found in the words of the Sages, and its limit.
- Chafetz Chaim, Lashon Hara 3:3: said as a joke.
- Chafetz Chaim, the opening of the book, the prohibitions: "do not bear sin because of him," at length.
- Be'er Mayim Chaim on Lashon Hara 3:1: his notes: Rabbi Yosi, the early authorities, Zigud.
- Devarim 27:24: "who strikes his fellow in secret."
- Rashi on Devarim 27:24: the verse speaks of lashon hara.
- Vayikra 19:17: "do not bear sin because of him."
- Shabbat 118b: Rabbi Yosi's saying.
- Arachin 15b: Rabbah, and the answer he is given.
- Tosafot on Arachin (on Sefaria at 16a): words that can be heard two ways (the heading there reads "in front of three").
- Sefer Yere'im, as the Chafetz Chaim brings it: the case he sets apart.
- Rambam, Hilchot De'ot 7:5: in his presence or not in his presence.
- Pesachim 113b: Tuviah and Zigud.
- Devarim 19:15: "One witness shall not rise against a person."
- Chafetz Chaim, Lashon Hara, chapter 10: telling of a wrong in order to help, and its conditions.
- Shmirat HaLashon, Gate of Discerning 5:1: the chapter heading.
- Shmirat HaLashon, Gate of Discerning 5:3: tell him, in private.
- Shmirat HaLashon, Gate of Discerning 5:4: disgracing him in front of others.